Re: NANFA-L-- Brindled Madtoms & Mussels


Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Brindled Madtoms & Mussels
From: Lori Austin (providentaustin-in-yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Dec 21 2004 - 18:54:52 CST


I think we are talking about the same thing...but, the night sampling was done strictly to find the Northern Madtom...as far as seining-in-night, I have a statewide scientific collecting permit and the folks that got the brindleds ...DNAP is Division of Natural Areas and Preserves...they look-in-night for northerns. For some reason the riffles were loaded with YO previous Y brindles when I was out in spring. I am positive they were not northerns. In fact a had to take a few back to make absolutely certain. I am not like TC...he can look-in-the seine from 30 feet away and tell whether you have a mimic or a sand. Northerns have not been documented from the Little Muskingum. I hope to find them.
 
We are to get one inch tommorow...the river will be up and rolling brown for a week or so.l
 
good evening fellas
 
Tom W. ... I will get a jpeg of my E. masquinongy ohioensis to send you along with my modified flies and techniques.
 
Mike here..using Lori's computer

matt ashton <ashtonmj2003-in-yahoo.com> wrote:
A river like that (Little Musk) was exactly what I was getting-in-with the smaller tribs to the Ohio I rattled off. I think those would be high in probability if you are removed just enough from the mainstem of the Ohio, the industry, etc. I have the ORSANCO data saved somewhere, you can download it from their site and queery it using Access, and you can check alot of records for those types of streams. I know the Little Musk is on it and I am sure many other tribs are too. A quick search of the OSU mollusk database or the INHS too would help narrow down the search.
 
I dunno about open water. Most of the rivers and tribs in Akron are still open except for fringe ice, but I just heard we are supposed to get 6-9 tomorrow and another 6+ on top of that thursday. Southeast ohio to get a mix of snow and rain and ice, and past that just miserable freezing rain.
 
Hmmm-in-night...isnt there some rule about seining past 9 PM ? O:-)

"Todd D. Crail" <tcrail-in-UTNet.UToledo.Edu> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Lori Austin
Same riffle produces Ohio lamprey and slenderhead darters. And, on one night I took sand darters in this riffle..not sure ! what they were doing there. Nice stream for Ohio...

 
Well I think that's enough probable cause for an investigation!
 
The nuances between brindled, northern and mountain (either of which I'd expect in the rock riffles) are slight. Any chance for mis-id? I've been guilty before :)
 
It's interesting that they took the madtoms-in-night. I wonder if they make daily migrations to other habitat to feed? Might be a representation of the habitat partitioning between these similar species.
 
Is the water still open down there? :)
 
Todd
The Muddy Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH
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