Re: NANFA-L-- Alabama Cyprinella

anutej-in-loxinfo.co.th
Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:21:50 +0700

Any spawning activity yet?

Tony

Bruce Stallsmith wrote:
>
> Todd, I'll be you half a peach that your mystery shiners are Alabamas. Your
> description could work for my Alabamas, except that my alpha male is fully
> tuberculated now. The Tallapoosa really does look different from your
> description. Hopefully you'll see a bunch of Alabamas this weekend in the
> Sipsey system...
>
> --Bruce Stallsmith
> but, no Alabamas in the Tennessee
> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>
> >From: "Todd D. Crail" <tcrail-in-UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
> >Reply-To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> >To: <nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org>
> >Subject: NANFA-L-- Alabama Cyprinella
> >Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:47:37 -0500
> >
> >Hi gang,
> >
> >I'm trying to figure out what we caught here... Back in late January, a
> >friend and I made a suicide run to Alabama over a weekend (yes down Friday
> >night, back Sunday night) to try and get more information about the
> >"southern walleye" from the Mobile Basin... Catching some "bait", using a
> >school van with school gas was the <ahem> incentive to do such a ridiculous
> >thing. One might also call it "Ice Madness".
> >
> >Our target was Hatchet Creek in Coosa County, running into Lake Mitchell
> >from the east, which Lake Mitchell is an impoundment on the Coosa proper.
> >
> >Anyway... We brought back some Cyprinella that we assumed were blackspot
> >shiners, C. venusta. Upon review, as I'm preparing for Jeff G and my
> >invasion of the central SE next week... Completely disagree with that
> >identification. In the mix were definate tricolor shiners, C.
> >trichroistia (what a lovely fish), and there _may_ have been blackspots.
> >But the ones that made it home we were calling blackspots... Ain't no way
> >they're blackspots.
> >
> >They have bright red inter-dorsal membranes framed by jet black, are
> >getting redish tails, and a pinkish hue to their pelvic and anal fins. The
> >tail spot is nearly symetrically oblong and quite prominent in comparison
> >to the tricholor.
> >
> >I'm leaning toward the Alabama shiner, C. callistia, but I'm not sure that
> >we can rule out the Tallapoosa shiner, C. gibbsi, even though it's not
> >supposed to be up there, but is darn close?
> >
> >The Natureserve and FO TN and AL pictures don't really solve much either.
> >None of the pictures have red in the dorsal, and this is really, to our
> >eyes, this fish's most prominent color feature.
> >
> >Any ideas? I can get shots, but I am really running short on time this
> >week, and live, wiley cyprinids are such a PITA to photograph.
> >
> >Thanks for any ideas. It may come that we'll have to go back down there
> >and look again (oh darn! :) and have Prez give 'em a looky.
> >
> >Todd
> >The Muddy Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH
> >It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
> >http://www.farmertodd.com
>
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