Re: NANFA-- My first collection of the year
Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:35:52 -0700
Stott Noble wrote:
> Sounds like the SE Gang might need to plan a trip in that direction. I've
> never collected down that way either. I collected flagfins with Martin and
> B.G. in the Pearl River area along the LA/MS line a couple of years ago-
> they're gorgeous little guys!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- My first collection of the year
> > Andalusia's a town I never collected... bull minnows is usually what
> > call Fundulus grandis, also known as the Gulf Killifish. I'm sure they're
> > not in Covington County. But I'm glad you hit the motherlode of
> > Pteronotropis, sounds fun.
> > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > Huntsville, AL, US of A
> > >From: Mysteryman <bestfish_at_alaweb.com>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >Subject: NANFA-- My first collection of the year
> > >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:40:58 -0700
> > >
> > >I'd say I'm off to a pretty good start!
> > >
> > >I hit a semi-swampy area near my house. The area is latticed with dozens
> > >of small streams which are really all the same stream, just split up
> > >into numerous little branches which eventually reconnect. The substrate
> > >is sand. There is a lot of vegetation on the edges of the streams, but
> > >none actually in the water, except for an occasional clump on a sandbar.
> > >This area also has a number of "permanent puddles" in it, which are
> > >either fed by spring or seepage, and these are like little miniature
> > >lakes of a sort. Rarely more than a foot deep, or more than ten feet
> > >across, they don't look like they'd hold any fish. They do, though, and
> > >I can ususally find Pygmy Sunfish in them.
> > >Some of these puddles are just barely connected to a stream, and these
> > >serve as spawning areas for ( Ptero ) Notropis signipinnis. While the
> > >streams usually contain several adult fish at any given time of year
> > >except the coldest part of winter, these spawning flats are usually
> > >found to contain fry, hundreds of fry, about twice a year in the late
> > >spring and early fall.
> > >No signs of spawing yet, but the adults are out in force. I parked my
> > >truck on the street, right by the culvert where the stream runs under
> > >the road. This is right inside the city limits of Andalusia, Alabama, in
> > >a rather fancy neighborhood full of snooty people who look at my old
> > >rusty ford pickup with obvious disdain. Most of them have no clue about
> > >what treasure swims through their backyards.
> > >At any rate, I took my water sample bucket down the bank to the water. I
> > >usually get a water sample from collection areas, you see. The scrub was
> > >a little thicker than I remembered, but it was easy enough to get to the
> > >water. Then something didn't feel right, and I started to slip, and I
> > >heard an odd thrashing noise.
> > >We have a saying around here: "never step over anything you can step
> > >on." Well, I stepped over a log, and as a result I stepped right on a
> > >Copperhead! Boy, was he mad! He tried to bite me several times, but
> > >luckily he got his fangs stuck in my jeans and shoe. I managed to get
> > >ahold of him before he managed to bite me, and I flung him away from me.
> > >Whew!
> > >Well, after that little bit of excitement I got to work. Thanks to the
> > >snake, I hadn't yet paid any attention to the creek. As I bent down to
> > >fill my water jug, I could see the fish darting playfully in the
> > >sunlight, and I couldn't believe my luck... there were dozens of
> > >specimens in this one spot right by the street! Normally I have to go
> > >hiking through the woods along the creek for a quarter mile or more to
> > >find that many fish in a whole day. After Hurricane Opal, that's harder
> > >than it sounds, what with all the fallen trees and such.
> > >
> > >Heh.. I first found out that this fish lived here from a kid on a
> > >3-wheeler. I was walking around there to scope it out as a possible
> > >location for a paintball war. The kid was having fun, riding through the
> > >creek. He stopped and asked me if I was looking for "Bull minners." I
> > >told him that I didn't even know what one was. He told me that I'd
> > >probably see some if looked hard enough. He was right. Eventually I saw
> > >a few in a typical sort of spot where you'd expect to find Notropis
> > >species, namely a deep spot in the creek right below a little waterfall.
> > >I couldn't believe my eyes.. the sun was shining just right, and I could
> > >see their glorious colors quite plainly.
> > >Well, the next thing I did should be easy enough to predict. I rushed
> > >home, got a net and a jar, and went back to catch some. They were harder
> > >to catch than I would have guessed, but I managed to get a few.
> > >I thought at first that they were Notropis hypselopterus, a native fish
> > >I had actually read about in an aquarium book. I labored under this
> > >wrong assuption for quite some time, but eventually figured out that
> > >they were ( Ptero )Notropis signipinnis, the Flagfin Shiner. I used to
> > >do down in that area to catch them fairly regularly after that, and
> > >normally caught some Elassomas right along with them, along with a few
> > >species of darters we have locally. I could have sworn that I even had a
> > >stickleback once, but it got away before I could get a good look at it.
> > >I don't think we're supposed to have sticklebacks around here, though.
> > >Hurricane Opal came along though, and everything changed. The area
> > >became very difficult to navigate, and a trip that formerly took a half
> > >hour suddenly took two hours. I eventually quit bothering to collect
> > >them because it was too much work. Last year, though, I had an idea...
> > >
> > >I got a shovel and went to work. It took several hours, but I finally
> > >managed to make a deep spot by the culvert. I figured that it would
> > >attract the fish, making them easier to find. When I returned this year,
> > >I found that most of my work has been undone by erosion and the current.
> > >Most, that is, but not all. It worked! That's why, in about six minutes
> > >flat, I was able to catch FORTY of them right by the road.
> > >Try it. You might find that creating a habitat suitable for the species
> > >you're seeking is easier than trying to find that habitat.
> > >
> > >I took the fish and spread a few around to a few tanks. The pH of the
> > >creek is 6.0, and the tank water is about 6.5.
> > >The rest are in a 250 gallon kiddie pool full of Elodea plants.
> > >I'm trying to figure out a good way to sort them out by sex for
> > >breeding, but it's tricky. Some of the females are fat with eggs, so
> > >they're easy to spot, but I can't figure out what makes the males
> > >unmistakably male. None of them have tubercules on their faces or
> > >anything like that. Does anyone have any tips? Does size matter? Some of
> > >the fish are much bigger than the rest..could these be the "Bulls" that
> > >give the fish it's colloquial name? As popular as this fish is, I'm sure
> > >that someone here has spawned them. I've egg-stripped them before with
> > >success, and had them spawn before in pools, but only incidentally. Now
> > >that I'm trying to do it the "normal" way, in aquaria, I could use a
> > >little help.
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I've obviously got more of them than I'll ever need. Since I doubt that
I'll be able to attend the big meeting in Huntsville this year, would
anyone like to take some of mine to the event? If you'd rather catch
your own, I can certainly show you the spot.
Huntsville..that reminds me..the Flame Chub from up around Huntsville
and northward to Tennessee, H. flammea..is that the same fish once known
as Luxilus cerasinus, or is that a separate species? Is there any chance
of finding some of those during the trips scheduled at the meeting?
F. grandis is the bull minnow? Okay. I know that fish, just never before
by that name. You're right, Bruce, I don't think we have any of those
this far north. They're plenty common in Ft.Walton, though, as are
Pupfish, Bluefin killies, and Sailfin mollies. When I worked at the
Gulfarium, we were up to our eyeballs in them. Heck, we used them as
feeder fish. Those Pupfish ROCK, by the way..Blue & orange colors, very
prolific spawners, and you'll scarcely find a better algae eater.
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