I was typing while still decompressing from dealing
with rebelious 8th graders on the last day before
Christmas break.
--- BILL HOPPE <zzzzzzbill_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Check out NFCs adopt a tank program .Not sure about
> the tank but a lot of equipment can be available .
> --- m c <midgatutordigests_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > OK, so the grist of this is:
> > get the tank if possible, and then us we did it,
> and
> > mention that it would look better with fish in it?
> > Ok.
> >
> > On the education grants: I would feel funny
> applying
> > for the high school teacher's grant because
> > technically, I'm not one yet. I won't be
> "official"
> > until the contract is signed. And the other grant
> > seems to be for people buildng outdoor ecosystmes
> or
> > field work.
> >
> > The only "financial" support from NANFA for the
> > Library tank that I hope to get is in the form of
> > fish, and I have a way of compensating for that by
> > providing receits documenting the donation for tax
> > purposes. (and maybe some server space for a pic
> of
> > the compleated project)
> >
> > The Library Board is happy to provide space for
> the
> > tank, as long as they don't have to spend anything
> > but
> > the water to fill it. (they are paying for recent
> > roof
> > repairs and are still fighing the county for the
> > money
> > they were suppost to get 6 years ago to make the
> > building handicap accessible.)
> >
> > I would just buy a tank myself, but I make 40$ a
> day
> > intermitently as a sub (today was show up for Math
> > with no books, or pencils, or paper because it is
> > Friday and we know we have a sub again because the
> > teacher is in labour still day). I would just
> place
> > one of my old 10 gals, but they are all scratched
> > and
> > wouldn't be very impressive. I would put my 20,
> but
> > I
> > plan to use it in the classroom.
> >
> > So I won't commit NANFA to anything, but instead
> > just
> > list NANFA as providing "Technical support" so
> that
> > those whom I am soliciting for "Material support"
> > won't think that I am just a lone nut.
> >
> > For now, I'll just take any lack of comment from
> the
> > peanut gallery as silent consent.
> >
> > Thus endeth the Planter's commecial...
> >
> > --- "Crail, Todd" <tcrail_at_northshores.com> wrote:
> > > Let's start from the beginning and I'll move
> > forward
> > > with your other questions
> > > that it seems you've not gotten any private
> > repsonse
> > > on either. Perhaps this
> > > will address some other things that may be
> sitting
> > > in the background.
> > >
> > > I've recently spent a considerable amount of
> time
> > > writting about projects that
> > > I think would help NANFA, draw people to NANFA,
> > and
> > > just serve in the good
> > > name of conservation. General response was
> "yeah
> > > that would be great!",
> > > however, as you may have noticed regarding how
> to
> > > distribute a presentation,
> > > as an example... The core topic *immediately*
> gets
> > > sidetracked with operating
> > > systems, distribution method, who will do the
> > work,
> > > "I have this software that
> > > I'll offer my services" "that software is
> inferior
> > > to this product", etc.
> > > This is not a criticsm, this is just the way
> > things
> > > are when you have a whole
> > > bunch of people trying to work over emails. And
> > so
> > > that got me thinking...
> > >
> > > I had an off the record discussion with one of
> > > NANFA's active members about
> > > how they feel concerning NANFA type projects, as
> I
> > > could clearly see, that by
> > > just posting a quick little ditty without any
> > > thought given to it brought a
> > > tsunami of emails back and forth. It was a good
> > > illustration of why people
> > > who *happen* to be NANFA members just *do
> > projects*
> > > and *then report* back to
> > > NANFAns about the project. This member offered
> > wise
> > > advice:
> > >
> > > "Do what you were going to do anyway and then
> > modify
> > > it where necessary to
> > > make it fit better into NANFA."
> > >
> > > That was concerning software. Does software
> have
> > a
> > > tangible cost? You bet.
> > > I bill out at $150 an hour when I do this stuff
> at
> > > work, however, that's my
> > > donation when I set something up that NANFA can
> > use,
> > > and I'm okay with making
> > > that kind of donation because I believe in NANFA
> > as
> > > a *distribution method*
> > > for my causes, and that their mission is within
> > line
> > > with my causes.
> > >
> > > I'd like to point out that "fit better into
> NANFA"
> > > can have two meanings, and
> > > I'll address the one that I think is
> appropriate.
> > > What I've determined was
> > > implied in this, and I think a lot of other
> > > education-based active members
> > > have determined, is that we're doing what we're
> > > doing because we have a
> > > passion for educating others about our native
> fish
> > > and the ecosystems that
> > > support them. So this may be more appropriately
> > > worded "do in a manner that
> > > NANFA can and would want to distribute as
> > materials
> > > that meet the *entity* of
> > > NANFA's goals." NANFA is not in charge of what
> > > members would like to do. It
> > > does have the right, however, to determine if it
> > > would like to spend it's
> > > resources to take that project a step further or
> > > reward those members
> > > financially or with some step of recognition.
> > >
> > > So... Any project a member would want to do,
> sure
> > > it's great to have support
> > > and financing, but I think it would be wise to
> > only
> > > expect an "attaboy" in
> > > return from *anyone*. Many NANFA members have
> > taken
> > > it upon themselves to
> > > place aquariums in public places. They absorb
> the
> > > costs, don't ask for
> > > anything, but willingly place some mention of
> > NANFA
> > > because *they feel* NANFA
> > > as *an entity* can help distribute, enhance or
> > > reinforce their causes.
> > >
> > > And before I cause assumptions to be made, let
> me
> > > say that there's absolutely
> > > *nothing* wrong for asking others to help absorb
> > > costs for a project you'd
> > > like to do to promote native fish. The worst
> that
> > > could be said is "no" or
> > > nobody responding to emails.
> > >
> > > To be blunt, the only way NANFA has commit to
> > > serving *anyone* or *any cause*
> > > financially is thru the two grants that have
> been
> > > made possible by
> > > memberships, auctions and the generous
> > contributions
> > > that some NANFA members
> > > and two families make yearly to the entity of
> > NANFA.
> > >
> > > You have some great project ideas, I would
> > encourage
> > > you to apply for the
> > > Corcoran Grant
> > http://www.nanfa.org/conservation.htm
> > > Talk to Rob Denkhaus if
> > > you haven't already, he'd mentioned the grant on
> > > Wendesday, and he's a great
> > > guy to talk with and can probably help nuture
> your
> > > ideas, as this is his role
> > > in serving NANFA. Also, look at what the
> > recipients
> > > did in the last 3 years
> > > for the grants. You will quickly see how their
> > > ambitions fit into NANFA's
> > > scope and why NANFA rewarded them financially.
> > And,
> > > you also may notice, that
> > > these projects were all going to be done wether
> > > NANFA gave them anything or
> > > not.
> > >
> > > This is how the entity of NANFA formally offers
> > it's
> > > financial commitment to
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> Bill Hoppe
> Yellville Arkansas
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