Re: NANFA-- Some eye candy and stuff...

Todd Crail (farmertodd_at_buckeye-express.com)
Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:26:48 -0500

I think Ray does have a very valid comparison now that I'm looking at some
redear pics.

http://fn.cfs.purdue.edu/anglingindiana/fishesofindiana/Sunfish/Redear.htm

http://www.natureserve.org/explorer/servlet/NatureServe?searchName=Lepomis%20microlophus
(click picture)

The operculum is still different (opalescent shine to the black and a
whitish border with red) and the mouth seems too far forward but... Man I
want this fish to grow up right now! :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Crail" <farmertodd_at_buckeye-express.com>
To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: NANFA-- Some eye candy and stuff...

> From what I understand... There are redear in Ohio, but they're pretty
much
> from stocking programs and in the south east portion of the state. And
they
> haven't been successfully introduced system wide... It's more like "one of
> their dam projects on a hollow has a lake they do okay in" type dealie.
> They're not common, and I certainly doubt they were in the Maumee system.
> I've never even seen one and have done a bit of rod-n-reel fishing in some
> of the lakes they've supposedly stocked. My buddy caught them at a little
> hide-away chateau that had a small 4 acre pond as described... That's only
> as close as I've come to them personally.
>
> So, of the species I sampled and the addition of potentially also having
> pumpkinseeds... That's pretty much the pack of possibilities in the Maumee
> watershed, and I'll note that I have yet to sample a pumpkinseed anywhere
in
> the watershed as well... It will certainly be interesting to see how this
> fish grows up :)
>
> Thank you for your comments Mr. Sinclair :)
>
> Nick... Don't even start. ;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. W. Wolff" <choupiqu_at_wctc.net>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Some eye candy and stuff...
>
>
> > : Re: NANFA-- Some eye candy and stuff...
> >
> >
> > > No offense, Ray, but I think the red edging around the opercular flap
> > would
> > > rule out a redbreast.
> >
> > No offense taken, Bob. I didn't figure redbreasts were in Ohio, but you
> > never know. My best guess is I see a bluegill pumpkinseed hybrid. Since
> the
> > pumpkinseed is not likely, A redear ( shellcracker) is that part. I
don't
> > think it is a bluegill on the other half, since the markings on the
cheek
> > tell me that one parent had wavy blue lines on the cheek. Longear
> > shellcracker hybrid is my guess going on the selection of species Todd
> gave
> > us. However, some papers I have read put orange spots and bluegills as
> > closely related, so a orange spot shellcracker could be an option. The
> other
> > thing is, the northern longear- or jewel sunfish as I call them ( just
> look
> > at the pictures on Todds website!) could have spawned with a shelly or
an
> > ospot. But I think the ear would be larger, although this is a
youngster.
> I
> > am interested to see what this fish looks like when it gets a bit
bigger.

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