Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)

Steffen Hellner (steffen_at_hellner.biz)
Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:00:18 +0100

The problem basically to me is where to put the line/boarder. Commercial
collecting surely can. Scientific collecting as well if without sense (e.g.
5000 strawberry frogs into formalin at one day). Private collection
reasonably done surely will not. Except if hundreds go to the same sites or
at the same species if it4s range is very limited (e.g. bluehead shiner?).

Steffen

> Von: archimedes_at_bayspringstel.net
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:42:07 -0500
> An: "nanfa_at_aquaria.net" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)
>
> Quoting Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>:
>
> I understand erring on the side of caution - I really do. But nowadays
> everbody
> is raising all kinds of alarms with nothing to back it up, or else they
> produce
> junk "science" to justify their claims. I have not seen any credible
evidence
> that NA naturalists are contibuting to the decline of any NA animal by
> "collecting" them. I still believe that if this were a _legitimate_
concern,
> then the majority of professional zoologists would consider it a point of
> honor
> never to harvest wild animals for their own various studies of imperiled
> species.
>
> This is simply another version of the points I debated in A/C with Gene
> Helfman,
> and I have yet to see an effective counterargument. I was kind of hoping
> somebody would take a stab at it :-) If one can avoid protraying me as a
> whining, rationalizing idiot, that is.
>
>> The harm is imperfect knowledge that they may be common, the other side of
>> the coin. We all know things change quickly in many areas, and this is a
>> species with very specific habitat needs. Today's G4-G5 in many areas may
be
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