Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)

Todd Crail (
Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:51:21 -0500

"Whining" and "idiot" are your suppositions Martin.

I felt led to respond to your "debate" with Dr. Helfman, but decided not to,
since you were as now, arguing under the premise that until anyone had
conclusively _proven_ in a peer reviewed format we shouldn't (which takes
years, money and motivation)... It was fine to do whatever the heck the
individual wanted, with no darkness cast on character. Since I didn't want
to write an obligatory dissertation so you might change your stance...
Nothing was replied. Perhaps others felt the same. So please don't take
the silence as proof to the validity of your arguments.


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> This is simply another version of the points I debated in A/C with Gene
> and I have yet to see an effective counterargument. I was kind of hoping
> somebody would take a stab at it :-) If one can avoid protraying me as a
> whining, rationalizing idiot, that is.
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