NANFA-- Planning ahead...

Todd Crail (
Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:11:17 -0400

Okay, time to start figuring who's staying and who's going. All I really am
concerned with right now are the plants that were in the Tank O' Death (tm).
I've decided the best decision is to use this tank as a facility to really
learn and photograph my local shiners, watch their habits, perhaps pick a
species to focus study on. I tried to keep 3 large brooder redfin shiners
(2 males, 1 female), but even they were small enough to fit in a small
warmouth's mouth. :)

So I'll have a centrarchidae tank, where they can beat each other up and eat
krill like it's jumbo shrimp at a Work Christmas Party... And I'll have a
minner tank where I can watch their enchanting silvery "dances" they do with
each other.

The real question here is plants. I have Anubias, Apongetons and Crypts...
I checked in Tepoot's and Baensch's plant guides... Of course all plants are
"only good" from 73f - 78f. I don't know why they bothered printing icons
for them hehheh.

If they're going to go down to 55-60f in the winter (which I want that temp
as low as possible for the fish), are the plants gonna croak? I don't want
to waste them... I'd prefer to dump them off on my favorite benefactor,
should they want them, and get a small tax write off, then just kill them or
have to haggle with someone about the "value".

Have any of you kept these plants in cold water successfully before?

Anubias barteri " barteri", Anubias barteri "nana"
Apongeton boivinianus, Apongeton crsipus, Apongeton longiplumulosus,
Apongeton ulvaceus
Cryptocoryne affinis, Cryptocoryne cordata, Cryptocoryne undulata

The mortality in the 75 Rainbowfish tank was nearly entire. There's 3 M.
praecox left and one _sorry_ looking pearl gourami (prolly euthenize if he
doesn't start clearing up shortly). One praecox still has some exopthalamus
in one eye... The other's have all cleared. I think I found and eliminated
my culprit.

And I have resumed the only treatment as lots of good food and good

The 75 natives are clearing all up and acting like normal now. The sunfish
are less aggressive, the stoneroller is back to grazing, the logperch swims
up to greet me. It's been 3 days since I fed them the FD Plankton in
question... Each day has them looking better and better, the clear stringie
anal extrudsions haven't been seen in ~36 hours. Exopthalamus has been
clearing, ectoparasites disappearing, sliming skin diminishing. Been giving
them a nice diet of frozen krill and mysid shrimp.

And after all that electricity a week ago in the 30 natives (which _really
was_ electricity ;)... The SRBD's are going _back_ into breeding color, the
scarred up one is healing and color is returning to the destroyed tissue.
The fish are all starting to keep their feeding weight on (they were getting
compressed bellies no matter how much I fed), ripped up fins are healing,
color is all back.

Thank goodness I didn't feed them any of this crap. I prolly wouldn't have
realized the food was an issue and would have kept feeding them more and
more and more trying to pull them through.

Some dichotomy that the thing I was trying to help them with, was actually
what was destroying them all. <sigh>

I'll _never_ change that much at once again (and probably a good lesson for
everyone to watch). I got into this problem at my shop, and you'd think I'd
learned my lesson then. I should have moved them down earlier in the spring
so heat wasn't a factor in the timing of the move, which made me rush, and
consequently compromised logical reasoning.

Alright... Thanks in advance for any advice on the plants. :) And I hope
many of you have learned a thing or two watching my saga, so you'll never
have to experience this yourself.


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