NANFA-- Re: nanfa V1 #2095

Imzadi (imzadi2000-in-hotmail.com)
Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:45:01 -0500

TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! (please)

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Subject: nanfa V1 #2095

>
> nanfa Wednesday, June 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number
2095
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:17:14 -0400
> From: kahley <kahseven-in-ptd.net>
> Subject: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29
>
> Hiya all!
>
> If you live in the mid Atlantic area, you have probably guessed why
> there were no reports last year. The river was high and muddy most of
> the season and I was able to get in the water only EIGHT DAYS! Those
> eight days were all work, digging out the accumulation of sand silt and
> clam shells dumped by the flooding. The only fish I saw that I knew
> were Betsy, (bass) the chubs, Moey (catfish) and Sunny (sunfish).
>
> We couldn't even get into the River until around the fourth of July and
> then the next week it started raining and that was it until a week in
> August. Sunny wasn't there in August.
>
> I made some major changes in my strategy last summer that has paid off.
> I totally dismantles the cross current structures between the middle
> and outer reefs for the winter, to allow a more natural flow and cut
> down on the sediment build up. I have only had three days this year and
> the water is still deep and murky but from what I can see it appears to
> have worked. This cuts down the sediment issue by 70%. Less
> work...MORE PLAY...WOOHOO.
>
> There is still a lot of muck in between the inner and middle reefs but
> I have it about 1/3 clear. I had to stop because there is a Blue Gill
> nesting and I don't want to disturb this. Betsy is there and right in
> my face. she has been caught and has an injury to her lip but if
> fungus doesn't set in, I think she'll be OK. There seems to be only
> three of the resident old chubbs left and so far, none of the new
> generation that were there last year. No sign of the catfish yet. I
> know they are are pretty old but I am going to miss them terribly when
> they are all gone. Last year I did see some resident little cats,
> probably from Moey's brood but they are still hiding in the rocks.
>
> The water hasn't cleared yet. Only about four foot visibility so there
> may be more fish in residence than I have seen so far.
>
> I replaced the cross current section of the reef on Sat. and the white
> tip shiners were already laying their eggs in between the rock layers on
> the roof of the "garage"by Sunday. They really love that set up for egg
> laying. I wish the water would clear so I could get more pictures of the
> mating. The get such high color ! But by the time the water clears, the
> mating slows down.
>
> I hope I haven't jinxed the summer by posting this. I'll go crazy if we
> get a lot of high water again. Weather report looks OK for this week.
> Keep your fingers crossed for me.
>
> Yours...Reefbuilder
>
> PS....The body glove works well but I forgot it on Sunday with water
> temp of 69, air temp of 74 and wind gusts to 30. I am sore all over
> from shivering.

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>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:50:38 -0500
> From: HOLLIS1506-in-webtv.net (Leo Arieux)
> Subject: NANFA-- "On the reef with Kahley and friends".... 6/29/04
>
> Kahley :
>
> Thanks for the update on your reef building project.  We were concerned
> that "something" had happened when there were no reports from you for so
> long. Hopefully conditions will be better this year.  Please keep us
> informed of your activities "on the reef".
>
> Stay well and best of luck,
>
> Leo
>
> ************************************
> Laissez Les Bon Temps Rouler'
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:13:27 EDT
> From: Moontanman-in-aol.com
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder  6/29
>
> In a message dated 6/29/04 7:28:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kahseven-in-ptd.net
> writes:
>
> > kahseven-in-ptd.net
> It's wonderful to hear from you again Kahley, please keep us informed.
>
> Moon
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:25:42 -0700
> From: "Tom Watson" <onefish2fish-in-comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder  6/29
>
> Welcome back Kahley, we've missed your reports.
>
> Tom
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kahley" <kahseven-in-ptd.net>
> To: <nanfa-in-aquaria.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:17 AM
> Subject: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29
>
>
> > Hiya all!
> >
> > If you live in the mid Atlantic area, you have probably guessed why
> > there were no reports last year.  The river was high and muddy most of
> > the season and I was able to get in the water only EIGHT DAYS!  Those
> > eight days were all work, digging out the accumulation of sand silt and
> > clam shells dumped by the flooding.  The only fish I saw that I knew
> > were Betsy, (bass) the chubs, Moey (catfish) and Sunny (sunfish).
> >
> > We couldn't even get into the River until around the fourth of July and
> > then the next week it started raining and that was it until a week in
> > August.   Sunny wasn't there in August.
> >
> > I made some major changes in my strategy last summer that has paid off.
> >  I totally dismantles the cross current structures between the middle
> > and outer reefs for the winter, to allow a more natural flow and cut
> > down on the sediment build up.  I have only had three days this year and
> > the water is still deep and murky but from what I can see it appears to
> > have worked.  This cuts down the sediment issue by 70%.  Less
> > work...MORE PLAY...WOOHOO.
> >
> > There is still a lot of muck in  between the inner and middle reefs but
> > I have it about 1/3 clear.  I had to stop because there is a Blue Gill
> > nesting and I don't want to disturb this.  Betsy is there and right in
> > my face.  she has been caught and has an injury to her lip but  if
> > fungus doesn't set in, I think she'll be OK.  There seems to be only
> > three of the resident old chubbs left and so far, none of the new
> > generation that were there last year.  No sign of the catfish yet.  I
> > know they are are pretty old but I am going to miss them terribly when
> > they are all gone.  Last year I did see some resident little cats,
> > probably from Moey's brood but they are still hiding in the rocks.
> >
> > The water hasn't cleared yet.  Only about four foot visibility so there
> > may be more fish in residence than I have seen so far.
> >
> > I  replaced the cross current section of the reef on Sat. and the white
> > tip shiners were already laying their eggs in between the rock layers on
> > the roof of the "garage"by Sunday. They really love that set up for egg
> > laying. I wish the water would clear so I could get more pictures of the
> > mating. The get such high color !  But by the time the water clears, the
> > mating slows down.
> >
> > I hope I haven't jinxed the summer by posting this.  I'll go crazy if we
> > get a lot of high water again.  Weather report looks OK for this week.
> >  Keep your fingers crossed for me.
> >
> > Yours...Reefbuilder
> >
> > PS....The body glove works well but I forgot it on Sunday with water
> > temp of 69, air temp of 74 and wind gusts to 30.  I am sore all over
> > from shivering.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:29:24 -0500
> From: "Hoover, Jan J ERDC-EL-MS" <Jan.J.Hoover-in-erdc.usace.army.mil>
> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Hogsucker husbandry secret revealed?
>
> >>>What throws me in this scenario is that they only seem to do this when
> they
> have other food already going down the pipe.<<<
>
> Perhaps they are selecting alternate foods - meiofauna in the sand, etc.
>
> >>>I think Wally has a good suggestion as well, although I think that
would
> just be a side effect/benefit/selection and not a root cause for
swallowing
> the sand... "ballast" <<<
>
> Its been many years since I read the paper, but I believe Bill Matthews
also
> suggested that as a possibility.
>
> >>>I bumped the current
> waaaaaaaaaay up in-in-least the 30 long.  I have become incredibly
enamoured
> (was that obsessed?) with "the physics of the biology"....The hogsucker is
a
> great example, as the head acts like a forward facing
> keel .  They arch their backs and use their tail to keep that head down,
> which allows them to effortlessly move about where they want in the
> current.<<<
>
> We see similar behavior in other riverine fishes.  Sturgeon, especially,
can
> maintain station in fast flows by sitting on the bottom, arching their
> backs, pushing their nose down, and turning their fins up and back.  We
> originally called this behavior "hunkering" but an editor suggested that
> that was poor terminology (not translatable into foreign languages and
> possibly colloquial) so the term was changed to "substrate appression."
>
> For a physics-based interpretation of swimming, check out Steven Vogel's
> "Life in Moving Fluids."  Book was available in Edward R. Hamilton for
just
> a few dollars.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:34:30 -0400
> From: "Bob Bock" <bockhouse-in-earthlink.net>
> Subject: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday?
>
> Hi all.  Native fish enthusiast Wally Bilingham is coming in to town from
> Pittsburgh.  He's asked Chris Scharpf and I if we'd take him on a local
> collecting and fish photography trip.  I thought I'd check with local
> NANFAns and members of the DC area aquarium societies to see if there was
> any interest.  A time and location hasn't been set yet.  We're leaning
> towards Saturday the 3rd, but Monday the 5th is also a possiblity.
>
> This is just a short e-mail to gauge how much interest there is.  Members
of
> all the local clubs are welcome, and if you'd like to forward this to an
> e-mail list, please feel free.  Once I hear from people, I'll try to make
a
> consensus decision
>
> Regarding a location, we're leaning heavily toward returning to
Paintbranch
> Creek in College Park, on the University of Maryland Campus.  It's a
> beautiful, clear clean stream that offers opportunities for snorkeling.
> We've collected satinfin shiners there--a beautiful little minnow with
> silver-satiny fins.  I couldn't find a good picture of one on the web that
> does them justice, but here's a link to a drawing
>
> http://fish.dnr.cornell.edu/nyfish/Cyprinidae/satinfinshinerpic.html
>
>
> We were also debating a longer trip, down to Zekiah Swamp outside Waldorf,
> for flier
>
> http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/fish/ponds/intro/3.htm
>
> bluespotted sunfish
>
> http://cars.er.usgs.gov/pics/nativefish/nativefish/nativefish_14.html
>
> redfin pickerel
>
> http://www.nanfa.org/fif/eamericanus.htm
>
> and warmouth
>
>
http://www.tmm.utexas.edu/tnhc/fish/na/centrarc/chaenobr/cgulosus/cgulosu1.jpg
>
> Wally had mentioned collecting in the Patapsco-in-the end of Route 29.
I've
> never collected there, but the Maryland stream survey reports that there
are
> some rosyside dace there
>
> http://www.epa.gov/maia/html/md-aq2.html
>
> Finally, the best location that I know of for rosyside dace, as well as
> sculpins and fantail darters is Little Bennett Creek, near Clarksburg.
It's
> probably the cleanest stream in Montgomery County, with a lot of little
side
> branches.
>
>
http://www.nps.gov/isro/NR_Profile_Internal/NR_stills/fish_imag/pages/mottled%20sculpin_jpg.htm
>
> http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/dnap/rivfish/fantail.html
>
> Thanks, all.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:35:34 -0400
> From: "Harry Knaub" <harryknaub-in-suscom.net>
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday?
>
> Bob,
> I would have to check with Jane about our plans this week, but I'm
> interested. I'll have to get a license so let me know as your plans firm
up.
> Sorry that we didn't get to talk much-in-the convention, but I realized
> after I got home just how little socializing I did. And that I regret.
>
> Harry Knaub
>
>
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Bock" <bockhouse-in-earthlink.net>
> To: "Mike Thennet" <Michael.Thennet-in-l-3com.com>; <gwapa-in-yahoogroups.com>;
> <PVAS-in-yahoogroups.com>; <nanfa-in-aquaria.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:34 PM
> Subject: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday?
>
>
> > Hi all.  Native fish enthusiast Wally Bilingham is coming in to town
from
> > Pittsburgh.  He's asked Chris Scharpf and I if we'd take him on a local
> > collecting and fish photography trip.
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