Re: NANFA-- Anglers carp at 'fish pain' theory - Apr.30, 2003

Jay DeLong (
Fri, 02 May 2003 13:14:53 -0700

I think ridiculing PETA-- or any group a person disagrees with-- only fans
emotions and makes them more determined. Pretty soon there is only emotion
and no sense. We see that every day, probably now as much as ever with the
war and all the other things associated with it.

I think a more constructive approach would be to consider the actual issue
of fish pain-- not here on this list necessarily, but just as a matter of
logic or personal ethics or whatever is important to you. Put aside your
personal feelings, where ever you happen to sit on the animal sympathy
scale, and consider the details of the recent study, along with other
studies. If you want to say something sensible about fishing's effects on
fish, don't say this:
"Until we have proper, bona fide evidence, we will never know. It's
supposition, said Charles Jardine, director of pro-angling group
Gone Fishing. I don't think the millions of anglers throughout the
whole of the world would see themselves as cruel individuals."
That's not too impressive-- accusing others of acting on suppositions while
doing it himself, or using numbers of people as a substitute for evidence.

And if you want to demonstrate that fishing is painful, is this the proper
study for that?:
"Bee venom or acetic acid was injected into the lips of some of the
trout, while control groups of fish were injected with saline solution or
merely handled."
What's with poisons and acids? What did the saline injected fishes
do? Wouldn't that be closer to the effects of a fish hook than poison or acid?

Jay DeLong
Olympia, WA
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