Re: NANFA-- Mystery Darter

Patrick Ceas (
Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:12:27 -0600

It is. And I did. I worked at the INHS from 1986 to 1996 as a fish
biologist and then as a PhD student (Larry Page was my advisor). On the
occasion that I referred to I seined them up, looked at them, and
released them. I either didn't have formalin with me that day or (more
likely) just didn't feel the need to pickle the little guys.


Jim Graham wrote:

>>From attending the 1999 convention I thought it was illegal to collect
>darters in Illinois unless you have a scientific permit to do so.
>Jim Graham
>Hastings MI
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Patrick Ceas" <>
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>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:41 AM
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- Mystery Darter
>>Granted, both pictures are blurry, but it looks like a typical Illinois
>>orangethroat to me. It has the proper body and head shape, and the
>>prominent vertical blue barring pattern on the sides are visible. There
>>even appears to be some faint orange still present on the belly. Seems
>>to be the typical muted colors for this time of year. You wouldn't
>>expect to see much orange color on the belly or on the sides (most
>>orangethroats will develop fairly prominent orange bars on the posterior
>>half of the body during the spawning season). Even the blue bars along
>>the sides, and the dorsal fin coloration, are somewhat reduced during
>>these colder months.
>>Don't be swayed too much by lack of dots on the Illinois map.
>> Orangethroats are often much more widespread than what is shown on
>>maps. For example, I have seined up orangethroats in the Decatur area
>>but never pickled them; therefore, those records do not exist in the
>>INHS database.
>>They are a fun fish to keep, but I might be a little biased!
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