Wouldn't it be wonderful if all fed's and state biologists felt that way. My
Louisiana Fish and Wildlife officials could care less about a species unless
it brought in revenue in the form of a fishing license. I even had one
official field representative confuse Heterandria formosa with baby bass and
tried to write me a ticket........
Thanks for the encouragement!
BG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Rinehart" <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> BG,
>
> I just got off the phone with our Assistant Chief of Freshwater Fisheries
> (and I mean right as this email came in). I was initially discussing what
> permit/license I needed to legally sell non-game fish for private
aquarium
> use. His initial thinking was a Commercial fishing License but then he
said
> "maybe I'll just issue you a general scientific collection permit"! Now
> wouldn't that be something!
>
> He also asked if I was one of the guys who had been notifying his
biologist
> of the protected species we have found and other site collection data
(which
> we were).
>
> Maybe they do care, even if it's just a little bit. Kinda made my day.
>
> Chip
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: B.G. Granier [SMTP:bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:02 PM
> > To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> >
> > Chip,
> >
> > Yeah, if I had to get a degree to be "stupid" then No
thanks...Duuuuhhhhh!
> >
> > If the powers that be really cared about our lesser known, non-sport
> > fishes,
> > then it'd be a different story altogether, even consisting of
> > transplanting
> > species where they have no historical record of prior existence, but
they
> > bring in revenue! ie: Fishing licenses, fishing tackle and bait sales..
> >
> > Thanks Chip!
> >
> > BG
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chip Rinehart" <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
> > To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> >
> >
> > > I agree with BG here. It doesn't do a whole lot of good to simply
list
> > a
> > > fish as protected and then do nothing else about it. Dustin and I
have
> > > tried to inform the DNR of some of the locations where we have found
> > > "protected" species in hopes that they will do something to help
> > preserve
> > > these fish (and I don't mean just in formalin). ;-) Only time will
tell
> > if
> > > they use any of the info we have supplied.
> > >
> > > Chip in SC
> > > (Home of the 2004 NANFA Convention.....y'all come)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: B.G. Granier [SMTP:bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:45 AM
> > > > To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> > > >
> > > > Bruce and all.........
> > > >
> > > > The thing about merely listing a fish while sitting on their
> > collective
> > > > rumps, (Fed., State, or whoever) really gets my goat.....
> > > >
> > > > If there really _is_ a concern, then damn-it, DO SOMETHING about the
> > > > situation instead of just waiting until it gets even worse........
> > > >
> > > > For now, I've given an Abort mission to the Navy Seals : )
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way, just stating my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > What's even worse, is that when a species is placed on any type of
> > list,
> > > > the
> > > > blackmarket price just quadrupled, therefore enhancing the risk of
> > taking,
> > > > transporting and dealing in "said" species, if you get my
> > drift.........
> >
> > > >
> > > > Regards to all who are concerned about our vanishing species and I
> > didn't
> > > > really mean to offend anyone.
> > > >
> > > > Just another who cares.
> > > >
> > > > BG
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:16 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're right, the welaka is a drop-dead beautiful fish. I have
some
> > > > flagfin
> > > > > shiners, signipinnis, which are interesting but they just don't
have
> > > > that
> > > > > electric oomph of welaka. The status is confusing of welaka, I
guess
> > > > Florida
> > > > > does consider Special Concern as protected which is all that
really
> > > > mattes
> > > > > for the legality of collection.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > > > > Huntsville, AL, US of A
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Chip Rinehart <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > >To: "'nanfa_at_aquaria.net'" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
> > > > > >Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:58:44 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I was wanting to get some welaka while down in FL back in Feb and
> > found
> > > > > >that
> > > > > >they were protected there, even though they are only listed as
"of
> > > > Special
> > > > > >Concern". We didn't find them anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have managed to get some from another source, as well as some
> > hubbsi,
> > > > and
> > > > > >my thoughts are the welaka are WAY better looking. The
fieryblack
> > > > shiner
> > > > > >is
> > > > > >a close second IMO. Rainbow shiners are nice too, but a male
> > > > fieryblack
> > > > in
> > > > > >full breeding coloration is a sight to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Again, this is just my opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Chip in SC
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