Secondly, there are too little numbers of people willing to act for captive
"preservation" (different from that in nature, only second choice but worth
it) on a long term basis.
Summary: You are right, and I am right. It4s just about everything we
expressed. We will loose many wild species, but not all. We will be able to
preserve many in captivity, but not all.
For the Goodeids: They are plain fish mostly, that4s what killes them -
compare Panda and tiger.
> Von: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:57:08 -0400
> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> Well, you know, the real question is, can we defy nature's end? (to borrow
> from Stuart Pimm...) The natural world is being chopped up and dispensed
> with. The argument that species are only commodities that we should be
> to trade like stamps rings hollow. A huge number of species can't be
> maintained in captivity. How many people on this list are good at keeping
> Pink Muckets, Rough Pigtoes, Cumberland Monkeyfaces or any of the other
> endangered Unionid mussels? I literally see them disappearing from the wild
> on a weekly basis. Will you also raise Anthony's River Snail, Armored
> the Slender Campeloma, blue whales, the various Hawaiian Honeycreepers?
> a big list to assume individual responsibility for. I wish you well.
> --Bruce Stallsmith
> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>> From: Jeffrey Fullerton <tcmajorr_at_westol.com>
>> Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>> To: "nanfa_at_aquaria.net" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:11:20 -0400
>>> Bruce, your arguments don4t stress mine rather than support my point of
>>> view. How many F. julisiae do you want? 100, 200, 500? No problem. We
>>> here have some very stable "populations" in ponds and the maintainers
>>> to feed the offspring as they get too much and the target groups all
>> Sounds alot like what I've heard about the captive population of the
>> federally endangered San Francisco Garter Snake in Europe. It's one of
>> the most beautiful snakes in the world and being essentially an extreme
>> localized population of the common garter snake that ranges over most of
>> North America I'm sure it's as easy to maintain in captivity as the
>> other less colorful subspecies.
>> But the Fish & Wildlife Service has gone out on a limb to keep this
>> snake out of private hands. I was told by the reptile keeper from the
>> Philadelphia zoo that the Feds allow them to keep males of that
>> subspecies - obviously out of fear that offspring from this prolific
>> live bearing snake (no references handy at this time but from personal
>> observation I know garters often have huge litters!) would trickle into
>> the private sector and become prevelant in the trade.
>> I'm sure it's the same for endangered topminnows, pupfishes, Watercress
>> & Rush Darters- creatures even more prolific than reptiles- again I'm
>> too lazy to look it up but fish typically produce oodles of eggs.
>> I've argued too in favor of rebuilding habitats for endangered fishes
>> and other small critters that lack the ability to get around as well a
>> birds and mammals do. And I've often gotten this lecture about how wrong
>> it is to tamper with nature or even a hostile tongue lashing from the
>> "Let Them Go Extinct With Dignity" crowd. I agree with Steffen that the
>> resident critters and plants don't care if a wetland was naturally
>> formed or deliberately impounded and they got there on their own or were
>> artificially introduced. Only humans care and that's a matter of
>> individual asthetic preference of group consensus.
>> Between these and countless other incidents that fly similarly in the
>> face of common sense- I've come to the conclusion that conserving the
>> protected status of a species is more important than the species itself.
>> Now you know why us terrible old carmudgeons are so cynical.
>> "I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other
>> animal, and that she has no eye-lids. She may therefore be esteemed an
>> emblem of vigilance. She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged,
>> ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true
>> courage. As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with
>> her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in
>> the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her,
>> she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons
>> are shown and extended for her defense, they appear weak and
>> contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal.
>> Conscious of this, she never wounds 'till she has generously given
>> notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of
>> treading on her".
>> Benjamin Franklin : The Rattle Snake as the Symbol of America
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