Re: NANFA-L-- NANFA-L Stonefly survey

matt ashton (ashtonmj2003-in-yahoo.com)
Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:57:13 -0800 (PST)

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why is there a direct correlation between an aquatic use designation and a fishery management program? Arent these really two totally different things and should be seperate. At least thats how its handled in Ohio....OEPA handles the aquatic life designations ODNR handles the fishery aspects....so a CWH designation doesnt give a green light to stock trout for a put and take fishery. It sounds like you are alluding to my same thoughts...that stocking these fish would actually harm the CWH because the trout would be foraging so heavily. Seems like the lack of seperation in the agency gives alot of bias towards fishery level management level rather than ecosystem management. I can see why they'd pay more attention to it, putting in a few hundred thousand trout smolt is going to bring them in more angler revenue, doesn't sound like they are concerned for any reason of what makes it a CWH just what they can do with it then.

Bob Muller <michiganfish-in-wideopenwest.com> wrote:Just back from the sampling. The NANFA Michigan chapter has partnered with
the Clinton River Watershed Council (CRWC). We are going to be doing fish
surveys of all the small creeks and stream helping them gain data to
convince the DNR to designate the Clinton a cold-water river. This
designation in Michigan mean a Trout stream and the DNR pay a lot more
attention to that type of river. The Clinton flows through the northern
suburbs of Detroit with 1.5 million people living along it. One of the
Clintons main tributaries, Paint creek has the cold water designation for
the last few years. This is a double-edged sword though. Once a cold-water
stream we will no longer be able to collect with nets and Steel head are
stocked. A personal belief is the brown, rainbow trout and salmon are just
as invasive as the round gobies, but a cold-water designation will help save
the river. The CRWC had their annual stone fly survey today Philip Kukulski
and myself were the NANFA members present. This is the first time we have
taken part in this and a lot of time was spent explaining about the darters
that were caught. There was lots of interest in those darters. Lots of
stoneflies, caddis flies scuds, isopods and the first water penny I have
ever seen were collected. We were working several locations of Stony creek
and rainbow, fantail, Johnny, Iowa darters, common shiner, creek chub and
rock bass were netted. The rainbows are in full color. It was in the
twenties and we had t break shelf ice to get in the creeks. Boy your hand
get cold working in that water.

Bob Muller
Red Run (the Ghost River of Royal Oak)
A tributary of the Clinton River
Michigan

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<DIV>why is there a direct correlation between an aquatic use designation and a fishery management program? Arent these really two totally different things and should be seperate.&nbsp; At least thats how its handled in Ohio....OEPA handles the aquatic life designations ODNR handles the fishery aspects....so a CWH designation doesnt give a green light to stock trout for a put and take fishery.&nbsp;It sounds like you are alluding to my same thoughts...that stocking these fish would actually harm the CWH because the trout would be foraging so heavily.&nbsp;&nbsp; Seems like the lack of seperation in the agency gives alot of bias towards fishery level management level rather than ecosystem management.&nbsp; I can see why they'd pay more attention to it, putting in a few hundred thousand trout smolt is going to bring them in more angler revenue, doesn't sound like they are concerned for any reason of what makes it a CWH just what they can do with it then.<BR><BR><B><I>Bob Muller
&lt;michiganfish-in-wideopenwest.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Just back from the sampling. The NANFA Michigan chapter has partnered with<BR>the Clinton River Watershed Council (CRWC). We are going to be doing fish<BR>surveys of all the small creeks and stream helping them gain data to<BR>convince the DNR to designate the Clinton a cold-water river. This<BR>designation in Michigan mean a Trout stream and the DNR pay a lot more<BR>attention to that type of river. The Clinton flows through the northern<BR>suburbs of Detroit with 1.5 million people living along it. One of the<BR>Clintons main tributaries, Paint creek has the cold water designation for<BR>the last few years. This is a double-edged sword though. Once a cold-water<BR>stream we will no longer be able to collect with nets and Steel head are<BR>stocked. A personal belief is the brown, rainbow trout and salmon are just<BR>as invasive as the round gobies, but a cold-water designation will
help save<BR>the river. The CRWC had their annual stone fly survey today Philip Kukulski<BR>and myself were the NANFA members present. This is the first time we have<BR>taken part in this and a lot of time was spent explaining about the darters<BR>that were caught. There was lots of interest in those darters. Lots of<BR>stoneflies, caddis flies scuds, isopods and the first water penny I have<BR>ever seen were collected. We were working several locations of Stony creek<BR>and rainbow, fantail, Johnny, Iowa darters, common shiner, creek chub and<BR>rock bass were netted. The rainbows are in full color. It was in the<BR>twenties and we had t break shelf ice to get in the creeks. Boy your hand<BR>get cold working in that water.<BR><BR>Bob Muller<BR>Red Run (the Ghost River of Royal Oak)<BR>A tributary of the Clinton River<BR>Michigan<BR><BR>/-----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>/ This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes<BR>/
Association (NANFA). Comments made on this list do not necessarily<BR>/ reflect the beliefs or goals of NANFA. For more information about NANFA,<BR>/ visit http://www.nanfa.org Please make sure all posts to nanfa-l are<BR>/ consistent with the guidelines as per<BR>/ http://www.nanfa.org/archive/nanfa/guidelines.html To subscribe,<BR>/ unsubscribe, or get help, visit the NANFA email list home page and<BR>/ archive-in-http://www.nanfa.org/archive/nanfa/<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>
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