Re: NANFA-L-- Contact-in-PA F&GC?

Derek Parr (
Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:56:15 -0400

well.. i'm still new here, so perhaps someone could explain to me what
the issue is with with this aubject?
Should the hellbenders be on the protected list in PA? Are their
populations low or endangered there? Or is there some background story
to this that I'm unaware of?

-derek parr
central NC

Nick Zarlinga wrote:
> OK, I am going to head this off-in-the pass. Todd, not that you in any way
> suggested, but I would hope that all of us attending would agree that we are
> not taking orders for hellbenders, right? Would we agree that although
> they are not listed (here) that it would be irresponsible for us to collect
> any, except under the most exceptional of circumstances? (And I do remember
> our discussion on this topic a couple of years ago ;)
> Nick Zarlinga
> Aquarium Biologist
> Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
> 216.661.6500 ext 4485
> "Who hears the fishes when they cry?"
> Henry Thoreau--1817-1862
> -----Original Message-----
> From: []On Behalf Of
> Crail, Todd
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 AM
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> Subject: NANFA-L-- Contact-in-PA F&GC?
> Howdy gang... I've been doing a little work preparing for our French Creek
> outing. I haven't heard from Wally, so we'll probably not be able to count
> on his guidance. But I think we can put together a really nice trip. I
> found a website with photos of all the bridges crossing French Creek that
> also has information about parking and in many cases, the way the stream
> looks below the bridge. I may even go out and scout during the week next
> week.
> I've also scanned the offering of materials made by the PA Fish and Game
> Commission to find out what is legal to take with a PA fishing liscence.
> This is a little bit opposite of what I'm used to. I wondered if anyone had
> a contact-in-the Commission who can affirm what I and others have read in
> the regulations?
> As someone mentioned before... It appears that we can have two, non-state
> listed, amphibians (which includes hellbenders) in our possession per
> liscence, and up to 50 live mussels (which I assume applies for the relicts
> I would actually like to collect) besides the two species on the Fed list
> (which you _really_ don't want in your possession, dead or alive).
> On the other hand, we can only use a 4' seine to try and view all the
> showboat state listed darters we just want to take a look at, photograph and
> send back on their way. I should have applied for a Science and Education
> Permit, but hindsight is 20/20, and they need 15 days to process, and my
> advisor is going to want to see other documents in my hand for his perusal,
> if you know what I mean ;)
> So I'm thinking dip nets and/or snorkeling are going to be key on this
> trip... Will work very well for the bluebreast, tippecanoe, variegate (not
> listed btw) and the madtoms. Might get lucky and catch a spotted, longhead
> or gilt that way (I've caught spotted with dipnet, but not reliably).
> Todd
> The Muddy Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH
> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
> <>

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