Re: NANFA-L-- Interesting news article

Bruce Stallsmith (
Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:02:51 -0400

My sympathy for this guy went way down when I read-in-the end of the article
that he replaced the koi with red parrots; that's going from bad to truly
goofy. But that's just me, I guess.

After seeing koi in various streams around Alabama, the Maine law seems like
a reasonable attempt to slow down this form of habitat degradation.

--Bruce Stallsmith
no red parrots yet in the Tennessee
Huntsville, AL, US of A

>From: "Brian J. Torreano" <>
>Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Interesting news article
>Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:06:53 -0500 (CDT)
> You are 100% correct! It is indeed unconstituional for someone to be
>busted for an action that was not illegal-in-the time they performed
>said action. Laws that make previously-committed actions illegal are
>called "ex post facto" laws. Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S.
>Constitution says that, "No Bill of Attainder or EX POST FACTO Law
>shall be passed". So what the restaurant owner did was not illegal!
>In fact it's not illegal because he DIDN'T do anything. The article
>says that, "The koi had been on display since Ly opened the
>restaurant NEARLY 15 YEARS AGO..", and, "A FEW YEARS AGO, however,
>Maine outlawed the importation and possession of koi..". Because Ly
>imported and possessed the fish BEFORE the law went into effect, he
>was not breaking the law by continuing to own the fish. The
>officials who busted Ly should hope and pray that he doesn't take
>them to court, because he would CLEARLY win on this one!
>Brian J. Torreano - Owner
>Your on-line resource for American Darters and other native fish for the
>small to medium-sized aquarium!
>Phone: (262) 268-7489
> >From: Derek Parr <>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Interesting news article
> >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:36:49 -0400
> >
> >i was always under the impression that it was unconstitutional to bust
> >someone for doing something they did before the law against it was
> > Not that anyone cares about that outdated piece of paper any more.
> >
> >yet another example of the evils of self-righteousness I guess.
> >
> >-derek parr
> >chapel hill, nc
> >
> >
> >Bill Flowers wrote:
> >>
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