News media are good-in-making something sound like a lot more or less
than it is, depending on how the reporter wants to play it. People
who read the stories are good-in-making even more of it than the story
does.
Dave
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Langston University; P.O. Box 1500
Langston, OK 73050; email: dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
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----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Gross <seiji64a-in-yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Interesting news article
> Ex post facto may not apply here, but according to the
> article "...Ly was charged with importing freshwater
> fish without a permit." He had the fish there since
> he opened the store 15 years ago. I think the statue
> of limitations for a charge of that nature would have
> expired a some time ago.
>
> Doug
>
> --- "Brian J. Torreano" <headdarter-in-btdarters.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Derek,
> > You are 100% correct! It is indeed
> > unconstituional for someone to be
> > busted for an action that was not illegal-in-the
> > time they performed
> > said action. Laws that make previously-committed
> > actions illegal are
> > called "ex post facto" laws. Article 1, Section 9
> > of the U.S.
> > Constitution says that, "No Bill of Attainder or EX
> > POST FACTO Law
> > shall be passed". So what the restaurant owner did
> > was not illegal!
> > In fact it's not illegal because he DIDN'T do
> > anything. The article
> > says that, "The koi had been on display since Ly
> > opened the
> > restaurant NEARLY 15 YEARS AGO..", and, "A FEW YEARS
> > AGO, however,
> > Maine outlawed the importation and possession of
> > koi..". Because Ly
> > imported and possessed the fish BEFORE the law went
> > into effect, he
> > was not breaking the law by continuing to own the
> > fish. The
> > officials who busted Ly should hope and pray that he
> > doesn't take
> > them to court, because he would CLEARLY win on this
> > one!
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Brian J. Torreano - Owner
> > BTDarters
> > Your on-line resource for American Darters and other
> > native fish for the
> > small to medium-sized aquarium!
> > Web: http://www.btdarters.com
> > Phone: (262) 268-7489
> >
> > >From: Derek Parr <derekparr-in-earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> > >To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Interesting news article
> > >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:36:49 -0400
> > >
> > >i was always under the impression that it was
> > unconstitutional to bust
> > >someone for doing something they did before the law
> > against it was created.
> > > Not that anyone cares about that outdated piece
> > of paper any more.
> > >
> > >yet another example of the evils of
> > self-righteousness I guess.
> > >
> > >-derek parr
> > >chapel hill, nc
> > >
> > >
> > >Bill Flowers wrote:
> >
> >>http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?
articleid=149770&format=&page=1
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