RE: NANFA-L-- The myth of restoration?

Crail, Todd (tcrail-in-UTNet.UToledo.Edu)
Thu, 5 May 2005 18:57:59 -0400

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It's frustrating. It drives you mad. It engages my Tourettes Module on =
a regular basis :) I'm sure you're just venting... but make sure you =
keep it in perspective, and I guess we need to remind each other of this =
from time to time.=20
=20
Everyone else present today probably thought there was nothing "IN =
THAT". As soon as there's algae and some mud, a McDonalds or Walmart =
bag wraped around a stick in the channel from the last flash... It's =
"dead" to them. Some of the things I might say:
=20
"Look-in-the red and blue of the red shiners and the intense green, =
orange and blue of the green sunfish..."
=20
"Look-in-the bluegill sunfish... You've all caught one of these fishing, =
haven't you...? Have any of you eaten bluegill sunfish?"
=20
"Feel the tubercules on the creek chub that come out when they're =
spawning.... They're like fish fingers to know where each other is at."
=20
"Feel the bumpy soft lips of the sucker's mouth that lets him feel his =
way through the sand like fingers and catch bugs..."
=20
It all starts with someone realizing there's "something living in =
there". =20
=20
Only then, will we begin to have enough social momentum to make changes =
at the "parking lot level". =20
=20
They probably don't even realize the parking lot drains into the =
stream... And what a great place to start telling them, with that nice =
new nature center back drop that someone cared enough about nature to =
build.
=20
Heck... Start talking about those plants they've restored there and how =
those unique plants could also be in islands of a parking lot, =
remediating our petroleum spoils before it gets to the stream.
=20
Take it and RUN! :)
=20
Todd
The Madness (tm)
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
http://www.farmertodd.com

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From: owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org on behalf of Dave Neely
When you're constrained by only having access to a bit of downstream =
area
along a creek, how can you expect to make any meaningful restoration to =
a
stream channel? Yeah, you might be able to stabilize the banks a little, =
but
only if you can get stuff growing between storm events. Even if you do,
what's the point of having perfectly Rosgen-balanced channels when your
water chemistry is totally screwed up? How do you fix water chemistry =
when
50% of your upstream watershed is impervious surfaces - shopping malls,
highways, and asphalt parking lots? Seven species is a lot when you =
consider
this stream probably gets a 20 degree temp shock with every midsummer =
storm
event. We managed to do a fun little show for a couple of school groups =
who
happened to be touring the grounds, but I'm just depressed and a little
angry. The contrast between the really nice nature center and the crappy
stream was just too stark. Systems like this aren't going to get fixed =
on a
timescale that's reasonable to any of us, and certainly not on the
mythological EPA "swimmable waters" timescale.

Sorry to be so down. One thing's for sure - playing in that cesspool =
today
will certainly make me appreciate the crystal streams of the 'Zarks next
month that much more...

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It's = frustrating.  It =0A= drives you mad.  It engages my Tourettes Module on a regular = basis  =0A= :)  I'm sure you're just venting... but make sure you keep it in perspective, and I guess = we need to =0A= remind each other of this from time to time.
=0A=
 
=0A=
Everyone else = present today =0A= probably thought there was nothing "IN THAT".  As soon as = there's =0A= algae and some mud, a McDonalds or Walmart bag wraped around a stick in = the =0A= channel from the last flash... It's "dead" to them.  Some of the = things I =0A= might say:
=0A=
 
=0A=
"Look-in-= the red and =0A= blue of the red shiners and the intense green, orange and = blue of =0A= the green sunfish..."
=0A=
 
=0A=
"Look-in-the = bluegill =0A= sunfish... You've all caught one of these fishing, haven't you...? Have = any of =0A= you eaten bluegill sunfish?"
=0A=
 
=0A=
"Feel the = tubercules on the =0A= creek chub that come out when they're spawning.... They're like fish = fingers to =0A= know where each other is at."
=0A=
 
=0A=
"Feel the = bumpy =0A= soft lips of the sucker's mouth that lets him feel his way through = the sand =0A= like fingers and catch bugs..."
=0A=
 
=0A=
It all starts with someone = realizing =0A= there's "something living in there". 
=0A=
 
=0A=
Only then, will we begin = to =0A= have enough social momentum to make changes-in-the "parking lot =0A= level". 
=0A=
 
=0A=
They probably don't even = realize the =0A= parking lot drains into the stream...  And what a great place to = start =0A= telling them, with that nice new nature center back drop that = someone cared =0A= enough about nature to build.
=0A=
 
=0A=
Heck... Start talking about = those plants =0A= they've restored there and how those unique plants could also = be in =0A= islands of a parking lot, remediating our petroleum spoils before = it gets =0A= to the stream.
=0A=
 
=0A=
Take it and RUN!  = :)
=0A=
 
=0A=
Todd
=0A=
The Madness (tm)
=0A=
It's never too late to have a = happy =0A= childhood.
=0A=
http://www.farmertodd.com
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
From: = owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org on =0A= behalf of Dave Neely
When you're constrained by = only =0A= having access to a bit of downstream area
along a creek, how can you = expect =0A= to make any meaningful restoration to a
stream channel? Yeah, you = might be =0A= able to stabilize the banks a little, but
only if you can get stuff = growing =0A= between storm events. Even if you do,
what's the point of having = perfectly =0A= Rosgen-balanced channels when your
water chemistry is totally screwed = up? How =0A= do you fix water chemistry when
50% of your upstream watershed is = impervious =0A= surfaces - shopping malls,
highways, and asphalt parking lots? Seven = species =0A= is a lot when you consider
this stream probably gets a 20 degree temp = shock =0A= with every midsummer storm
event. We managed to do a fun little show = for a =0A= couple of school groups who
happened to be touring the grounds, but = I'm just =0A= depressed and a little
angry. The contrast between the really nice = nature =0A= center and the crappy
stream was just too stark. Systems like this = aren't =0A= going to get fixed on a
timescale that's reasonable to any of us, and =0A= certainly not on the
mythological EPA "swimmable waters" =0A= timescale.

Sorry to be so down. One thing's for sure - playing in = that =0A= cesspool today
will certainly make me appreciate the crystal streams = of the =0A= 'Zarks next
month that much more...

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