Re: NANFA-L-- Moribund fish & Life Outside

matt ashton (ashtonmj2003 at yahoo.com)
Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:02:58 -0700 (PDT)

Isn't spectabile being broken into species more recently? I just was mentioning to someone this morning about the "Caney Fork Darter" which was part of the spectabile complex but described as a species in 1997 by a UIUC student in his PhD dissertation.

And if someone could quickly clarrify for me what the major points are in the difference between a subspecies as part of a species complex is and the clade designation Todd is talking about. In the grand large picture scheme of things isn't it just the same thing but using different adjectives or different methods to describe it.

Matt

"Todd D. Crail" <tcrail at UTNet.UToledo.Edu> wrote:
They're not actually looking for a sub species designation. I believe the
idea is using a masters as pre-work to throw _out_ the designation and start
breaking blennoides into clans/clades like spectabile or that whole
Ulocentra mess ;) The good Dr. Strange is semi-at the helm on this one, so
there is first generation Maydenite heritage on the scene.

Me, I'm like "Just say that it's pretty! Just say it's pretty!" lol

Thanks Bruce. I'll check with them to see if they'd like to expand the
scope of the project out of Ohio, or if that will slide the scope too far
for a masters. I know they're covering the eastern Great Lakes drainages
with comparisons from the Ohio River watershed. They may like them from a
few different locations for giggles... Or if the driving was the deterent,
we can really show the LEC the powah of the NANFAn side of the force, and
why they should part with a measly $20 a year and all become members ;)

Todd
MADNESS!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Stallsmith"

> Someone is looking for sub-species designations? I still say that's a
> squishy term. With a species as widely distributed as greensides you would
> expect distinct population differentiation with characteristics like
> coloration that have relatively simple genetics. But I'm still curious to
> hear what this project comes up with, I'd even donate local greensides to
> it.
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