Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear

Todd Crail (
Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:43:36 -0500

I think that's a weak and dangerous rationalization Martin. Any animal
removed from a natural population is biologically DEAD. "Dead" meaning just
as dead as the headless hellbender laying on the shore.

Arguably, there's a lot of different mileage after you remove the animal,
depending on how you care for it and what information you obtain from it...
But "because the locals kill them" is a pretty poor reason to take an
animal. While it may soothe the conscience in a gray area, it certainly
hasn't done anything the increase the health of a population.

----- Original Message -----
From: <>

> All this worry about keeping hellbenders reminds me of the first time I
saw one.
> I was seining in N. Georgia with a friend of mine from my ichthyology
> We netted one and he called it a "water dog", which he said the local
> hated. They would lop off their heads and throw them on the stream bank.
> kept that one for about 2 years before releasing it (I didn't know better
> back then). Anyway, with such an attitude by locals I don't think
> captures pose much of a threat.
/"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily
/ reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes
/ Association"
/ This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association
/ To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word
/ subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to
/ For a digest version, send the command to
/ instead.
/ For more information about NANFA, visit our web page,