Re: NANFA-- Re: Thanks...

Dave Neely (
Thu, 11 May 2000 10:37:18 CDT


>but has anybody here keep and breed saffron and Tennessee shiners?

I have had a pair of N. leuciodus in a tank at home for a year now; the red
faded quickly (darn!), but in their normal coloration they develop an
iridescent green stripe on the dorsolateral surface that looks particularly

>how many color form are there of rough shiner and what the normal and
> >breeding color are actually like? Anything comparable to taillight >and
>yellowfin shiners? Are there any other red minnow in the Southeast

There's evidence for at least two species currently being counfounded under
N. baileyi; a red form in the SE part of the range, and a yellow form in the
western parts of the range. They are broadly sympatric in the Bear Creek and
Black Warrior systems. They also differ in head shape and lateral stripe
pattern. I haven't gotten around to checking meristics yet. They do well in
aquaria (eat flake food like little pigs) and play well with others, but are
photoperiod/temperature dependent for nuptial color, which is fleeting in

But literally, there are tons of NA cyprinids that have awesome nuptial
coloration. I have a mix of Hemitremia and Phoxinus oreas in the tank on my
office desk that everytime I look at them I'm in awe (Yeah, it cuts into my
productivity a bit...). My office mate has a tank with Cyprinella
pyrrhomelas, Clinostomus sp. cf. funduloides ("smoky dace") and Luxilus
zonistius together- an awesome sight to behold (even if not representing a
natural assemblage :)

>About B.G. comment...well, well...if a lot of people in NA have an
> >interest in tropicals then it is sooner or later people around the >world
>[eg. me] will be interested in NA natives since many NA shiners >and
>darters are among the most colorful freshwater fishes.

Agreed. I will admit however, it's nice to find someone who is so impressed
by published photos and illustrations of these things- if you'd see them in
the wild it would blow your mind.


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