RE: NANFA-- Antibiotics

Irate Mormon (
Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:40:44 -0600

Well, I guess it's kind of like naturopathic medicine vs. "standard" methods. Each camp has its adherents. When I was a baby
aquarist I used Innes' methods for everything, and they worked quite well. Now I use antibiotics WHERE INDICATED because they're
effective (I've never suffered any of those negative effects you mention), easy to use, and readily available. Ironically, I prefer NOT to
buy OTC fish medicine because of the cost - I have a good relationship with my vet and I can get prescription medicine more cheaply.
All I have to do is ask. Used to be you could pick up quinine or merthiolate almost anywhere - nowadays it's a different proposition.
Or silver nitrate? I'll stick with my antibiotics. While it is not widely harped upon these days, I'll repeat my claim that bacteria can
develop a tolerance for "alternative" medicines as well as modern ones. It just stands to reason.

I am wondering if your experiences are primarily related to the marine hobby. If so, then that would go a long way towards expalining
your position. Assorted maladies are _particularly_ indicative of environmental problems in marines. But you can correct the cause
and STILL have to deal with the disease. How do you treat, for example, bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia in a prized specimen? A
dip in malachite green?

I am also wondering about the origin of this "resistant strain" of fish TB whereof Mr. Huntley spoke. I know a lot of stuff has been
circulated on the net about it, but really, is there any documented factual basis for claims that this is a result of aquarium use of
antibiotics? Other than a bunch of folks talking, I mean.

On 12 Nov 2002 at 14:54, Crail, Todd wrote:

> Now let's not throw the baby out with the water change Martin ;)
> The practicle alternative is that I have *never* found it *necessary*
> to use broad spectrum or gram specific antibiotics in *any* of my
> aquaria pursuits, *any* of my customer's aquaria pursuits, *any* of
> the people I've advised online's aquaria pursuits. In fact, things
> more frequently became worse (read: animals actually were harmed in
> the creation of this event) when they didn't listen to my arguments
> and did whatever they wanted which usually, didn't involve a separate
> container to do a dip in because they'd ignored everything I said.
> And then who came back whimpering?
> I'm not questioning anyone's methods specifically. All I'm getting at
> is we ought to thoughtfully consider what we're doing with this stuff,
> and that I've found them to not be necessary in our aquariums.
> Plainly put, *I just don't think they need to be on the shelf*.
> Remember all that dialogue I presented yesterday about correcting the
> problems before worrying yourself about the symptoms? :)
> And I wasn't talking about just fish getting affected upon watershed
> contamination, but that point I think has been lost in the fact that
> this is, afterall, a fish list. But you might take heart in reading
> Mr. Huntley's human account :)


Jackson, MS

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