RE: NANFA-L-- Re: Fish ID's and shiner parasite

Johnson, Daniel (DanJohnson-in-chevron.com)
Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:21:56 -0500

Thanks Gerald.

After I did the writeup, it occurred to me that the sunfish were greens.
I don't know why I didn't make the connection, since I've seen a lot of
green sunfish this size. I guess it was wishful thinking that I might
have found my first dollar sunfish, which remains elusive to me.

I'm almost certain the first two bantams are indeed bantams. The third
picture is not the clear, so I'm not going to worry too much about it.

I believe the key to my catching the small carp is that I'm using a fine
mesh cast net. Check out where I bought mine
http://www.billssportshop.com/nets/castnets.html . The mesh size is
3/16" and it's great for sampling areas for small fish. I also have
caught pretty small river carpsuckers and redhorse with it. I've never
caught a carp or any type of sucker with a dip net.

--Dan

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From: owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org [owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org] On Behalf
Of Gerald Pottern
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:52 AM
To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
Subject: NANFA-L-- Re: Fish ID's and shiner parasite

Dan Johnson -- your sunfishS1 and S2 are greens, Lep. cyanellus. note
big mouth, long body, dark dorsal blotch, white/gold fin edging. I
think silverband shiner (shumardi) is correct. no opinion on the
bantam/bluegill question, except that i think all three fish are the
same sp, and if Bruce says bluegill ...

Small common carp ? i didnt know they existed. i
thought they were born a foot long, smallest i ever
see. where the heck do little carp hang out ?? deep
pools ?

Sajaad -- i agree re juvenile white sucker - note
anterior scales are MUCH smaller than posterior
scales, unlike redhorse suckers (anterior scales only
slightly smaller). i see many strongly blotched ones
like that in NC. they can change from blotchy to
solid-color in just a minute or two.

Mysteryman -- i got heaps of tiny baby rainbow shiners
if you (or anyone else) need to restock. theyre about
3rd-4th generation from wild ones collected near
Centerville AL in 1999. also baby Apalachicola pygmy
sunfish to spare (the western form of okefenokee) if
anyone needs.

Quick Cure (formalin + malachite green) might also
knock out that Trichodina/Cyclochaeta thing, maybe
safer than copper. I like that old name, very
descriptive - ring of bristles.

Gerald
hangin on the Neuse
sorry folks i havent been available much on the list
lately; no doubt i'm missing a lotta good discussion.

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> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:05:26 -0400
> From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus-in-hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: NANFA-L-- ID requests
>
> I don't know the Illinois shiners, but I'd say that
> your Pimephales species
> in photo 31 is definitely P. notatus, the bluntnose
> minnow.
>
> - --Bruce Stallsmith
> along the Tennessee
> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>
> >From: Sajjad Lateef <sajjadlateef-in-yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> >To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> >Subject: NANFA-L-- ID requests
> >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Could someone please check out the unidentified
> fish photos at:
> >
>
http://www.nanfa.org/NANFAregions/il_in/june2006/index.html
> >
> >I'd appreciate if anyone could definitely identify
> the "blackstripe"
> >fish (blacknose shiner or blackchin shiner). Also,
> is that juvenile sucker
> >really a sucker or some exotic. Note that multiple
> photos of the
> >unidenfied fish are displayed. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Also, I am seeing an odd species of larva in my
> outdoor tub. It looks like
> >a black and white striped caterpillar with a long
> tail (10x the body
> >length). When moved into
> >the indoor tanks, it stays suspended in the water
> column but with the tip
> >of the tail-in-the surface.
> >It's as if the larva are suspended from the water
> surface by the tip of the
> >tail (maybe a breathing tube
> >of some kind?)
> >
> >Sajjad
> >
> >-- Sajjad Lateef e-mail: sajjadlateef AT yahoo DOT
> com
> >Chicago
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> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:23:45 -0500
> From: dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
> Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- ID requests
>
> Sajjad,
>
> The photos were dark on my monitor, so I can't help
> with the minnow.
>
> From your description, the larva you described is
> almost certainly a
> member of the family Syrphidae, a family of flies.
> Some are aquatic
> (like yours) and some are terrestrial. Most put
> their eggs in
> organically rich locations, and the larvae eat
> "grunge." Aquatic forms
> are sometimes, for the breathing tube on yours,
> called "rat-tailed
> maggots." A search by that name, or by Syrphidae,
> or syrphid(s) will
> yield more information.
>
> Dave
>
> David L. McNeely, Ph.D., Professor of Biology
> Langston University; P.O. Box 1500
> Langston, OK 73050; email: dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
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> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sajjad Lateef <sajjadlateef-in-yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:04 am
> Subject: NANFA-L-- ID requests
> > Could someone please check out the unidentified
> fish photos at:
> >
>
http://www.nanfa.org/NANFAregions/il_in/june2006/index.html
> >
> > I'd appreciate if anyone could definitely identify
> the "blackstripe"
> > fish (blacknose shiner or blackchin shiner). Also,
> is that
> > juvenile sucker
> > really a sucker or some exotic. Note that multiple
> photos of the
> > unidenfied fish are displayed. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Also, I am seeing an odd species of larva in my
> outdoor tub. It
> > looks like
> > a black and white striped caterpillar with a long
> tail (10x the
> > body length). When moved into
> > the indoor tanks, it stays suspended in the water
> column but with
> > the tip of the tail-in-the surface.
> > It's as if the larva are suspended from the water
> surface by the
> > tip of the tail (maybe a breathing tube
> > of some kind?)
> >
> > Sajjad
> >
> > -- Sajjad Lateef e-mail: sajjadlateef AT yahoo
> DOT com
> > Chicago
> >
>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:35:25 -0500
> From: Dan Johnson <danjohns-in-io.com>
> Subject: NANFA-L-- Photos from Sunday -in- Navasota
> River, TX
>
> Yesterday I spent much of the day-in-the Navasota
> River near College
> Station, TX. Great day! Here's a writeup.
> Opinions from the pros on
> identifications appreciated.
>
> http://www.io.com/~danjohns/fish/navasota_river.html
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - --Dan
>
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